Christian Couple Fined & “Reeducated” Because They Refused to Do This on Their Farm

lesbianSuppose you and your wife own a farm…

You also practice a strong Christian faith.

You believe marriage is between a man and a woman.

You hold nothing against gay people, but you feel the sanctity of marriage is worthy of preserving. After all, you dedicated your way of life to it.

So when you’re approached to hold a gay wedding on your farm, you say “no”, here’s how the liberal courts will attempt to punish and re-educate you about your faith:

A court has ruled against a husband and wife who own a farm in central New York, upholding a $13,000 fine that was imposed over the couple’s refusal to host a same-sex wedding on their property back in 2012.

The New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division, Third Department, upheld a punishment imposed by New York’s Division of Human Rights that included $10,000 in fines and $3,000 in damages to be paid by Cynthia and Robert Gifford, owners of Liberty Ridge Farm, a farm and special events venue in Schaghticoke, New York.

The couple was also reportedly told to implement mandatory courses that the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal firm, described in a press release as “re-education training classes designed to contradict the couple’s religious beliefs about marriage.”

So the Gifford’s were forced to make a painful business decision.

To remain true to their faith, they will no longer host any weddings on their farm.

Tally one minor win for a vindictive lesbian couple, a temporary set back for a faithful, hardworking couple, and one big ugly black mark on protecting First Amendment rights.

  • M.A.Rue

    “…imposed by New York’s Division of Human Rights” Too damn bad Christians don’t fall in that Human Rights category.

    • kirk chartier

      Did you really expect anything different from one of the lands of granola (full of fruits, flakes, & nuts). GOD sometimes doesn’t punish a land because of the righteous that are there but persecute them so they leave or turn to evil and watch GOD surely punish the wicked

  • Original Rebel

    Something needs to be done with these friggin’ judges who think they are God Almighty!

    • Rodney Steward

      If the Oath they took is like the one I took, God is in it! Looks like these judges are part of the transformation, or they’re queers too!

      • Original Rebel

        My guess is that they’re BOTH! How any God-fearing man (Judge) so easily accepts the premise of gay/lesbian lifestyles is totally reprehensible and is as perverted as they are. Fining and “punishing” Christians in a Christian-based country is just as reprehensible and we need to fine and punish any judge who deviates from our Constitutional right to use our property as we wish, or to worship as we wish, or to believe as we wish. We do not need to have such garbage force-fed to us and be punished because we spit it back out!!!!!

        • Rodney Steward

          I have a feeling when this sick President is gone, there WILL be changes and fast! Right now they have the clown to hide behind and the same goes for the PC BS!

          • worn out 123

            I’d like to see that, however, I have grave doubts it will happen.

          • Original Rebel

            It will only happen if the public gets it’s back up finally and grows some b*lls. If only we had a conservative president who would ACTUALLY return our Constitution to us; then we might see some change. I don’t hold much hope of that ever happening any more at this time in history. Leftwing lunatic lugnuts have bullied their way into our society, and it will take a major turn around of peoples’ hearts and minds. Personally, I just don’t see that happening. Too much evil has taken root already.

          • Chamileon

            YOU GODDAM CONSERVATIVES BREAK THE CONSTITUTION MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE, SO SHUT UP AND STOP SPREADING IGNORANCE FOOL.

          • Original Rebel

            Talk about a flippin’ “fool” … there are no fools like the lunatic liberal lugnuts – like you – get yourself a copy of our Constitution and read it, that is IF you can read. Last I heard, neanderthals couldn’t read; they just drooled a lot!!!!

          • Suzu M

            yes, and remember Clinton’s comment:
            “Laws have to be backed up with resources and political will,” she continued. “And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.”
            Wow. The arrogance.

          • Original Rebel

            She’s an evil lying hag. Her very face shows her soul!

          • Suzu M

            Well, I don’t respect her, but I can’t go as far as calling people names. But the word ‘hag’ is interesting. i wonder which definition you mean.
            . 1. Offensive An old woman considered to be ugly or frightening. 2. a. A witch; a sorceress. b. Obsolete A female demon. 3. A hagfish.
            or

            A hag is a wizened old woman, or a kind of fairy or goddess having the appearance of such a woman, often found in folklore and children’s tales such as Hansel and Gretel.

            Personally, I’ll just choose the word, ‘offensive’ and call it a day.

          • Original Rebel

            You certainly may do that Suzu and I respect your right to do so. Me? I’ll take “hag” as prefaced by “evil” and “lying” – that should dispel any allusion to a fairy tale or a fish. I really like “female demon”!

          • Suzu M

            Yeah…

          • kirk chartier

            Hitlery is one of the few women in history that deserves the B word (starts with b and rhymes with witch) but definitely demon infested!!! Just like Jezabell from the Bible.

          • Chamileon

            THAT SHIT (HOMOSEXUALITY) CAME OUT OF EUROPE, OBAMA IS NOT A EUROPEAN…. HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO BLAME HIM JOE BIDEN ACCEPTED SAME SEX MARRIAGE BEFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA DID…..DON`T GET IT TWISTED MF.

        • k9

          Who gave the frigging judges the authority to make laws? only congress can make the laws, not even the piece of s-it in the white house can’t make laws. So GAY MARRIAGE is not a law, and no 2 men or 2 women can get married legally. GAY MARRIAGE WAS NOT a law written by congress.

          • Original Rebel

            You’re absolutely right and I, for one, am sick and tired of having this vile reprobate lifestyle shoved in my face.

        • Suzu M

          Agree.

      • Morbious Stone

        they are gay satanic jews look it up even sotomayor

        • kirk chartier

          Gay satanic jews? The last 2 words not belong together any more than a gay straight satanist would. If you are harboring some unforgiveness towards Jews. I suggest you look up two things in the Bible. GOD gave the Jews a promise “I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you.” GOD never goes back on his word only mankind does that. The parable of the unforgiving servant where JESUS says “You do not forgive you will not be forgiven and you will be turned over to tormentors” and the word for tormentors is one of the same words used for demons. Plus numerous times we are exhorted to pray for the peace of Israel.

          • Martin Randall Higley

            First to the Jews then to the Nations. True Christians know they have been grafted onto the tree of Judah.

          • kirk chartier

            So true. The Jews were GOD’S first love. And major blessings happen when they come to JESUS and it really burns Satan’s butt too,

          • Chamileon

            YAWN…………….THAT`S BORING

          • Chamileon

            FUCK ALL THEM FAKE ASS JEWS IN ISRAEL THOSE ARE ZOINIST NOT JEWS. THE FIRST JEWS WERE JET BLACK AFRICANS……..

          • kirk chartier

            Your ignorance is only out shined by your anger, hatred, and malice. Not hard to figure out who your spiritual father is! In spite of what you may claim.

      • RedRiverD

        Actually if they took their oath “under God” or with the Bible, then they are hipocrites and should be IMPEACHED for not following their oath of office, just like BHO.

        • Chamileon

          YOU`RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL, YOU DON`T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT GOD……….

          • k9

            you’re the one that’s fucked up. Why don’t you get your head out of your ass and see what the real world is like.
            Hell, you may even learn to love this world.

    • Mike H.

      Convention of the States. Term limits on all elected and appointed officials.

      • dodger4754

        Big changes are needed to FORCE those in government to obey the Constitution. An Article V Convention of States is the method the Founders included in it for us to use if needed. The time has come!
        http://www.conventionofstates.com/

        • RedRiverD

          The only problem with that is that they do NOT pay any attention to the US Constitution now, so why would they pay any attention to the CofS?
          Just asking!

          • dodger4754

            My suggestion would be to include penalties such as fines and/or jail time for office holders convicted of violating the provisions of the Constitution. Trial would be heard by the Supreme Court.

          • Chamileon

            WITH ALL THEM IGNORANT ASS CONSERVATIVES ON THE SUPREME COURT THERE IS NO DAMN JUSTICE THERE…………

        • Chamileon

          THE CONSTITUTION SAYS BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE SLAVES TO THE WHITE MAN FOREVER, IT ALSO SAYS THAT THE BLACK MAN IS 3/5 OF A MAN. THAT CONSTITUTION IS FUCKED UP IT TRULY IS A CON–SITUTION. CON-CON-CON-STITUTION.

          • dodger4754

            WRONG! The Constitution says neither of these things. Did it USED TO say that a black man = 3/5 of a man? Yes. Does it NOW? No. At the time of the “3/5 Compromise”, as the adoption of the 13th Amendment was called, the following was the situation:

            “[T]he point is that the “three-fifths clause” had nothing at all to do with measuring the human worth of blacks. Northern delegates did not want black slaves included, not because they thought them unworthy of being counted, but because they wanted to weaken the slaveholding power in Congress. Southern delegates wanted every slave to count “equally with the Whites,” not because they wanted to proclaim that black slaves were human beings on an equal footing with free white persons, but because they wanted to increase the pro-slavery voting power in Congress. The humanity of blacks was not the subject of the three-fifths clause; voting power in Congress was the subject.3”
            https://americanvision.org/3918/the-original-constitution-and-the-three-fifths-myth/

          • dodger4754

            Additionally, if you disagree with any part of the Constitution, you should be in favor of a Convention of States in order to make the changes you believe are needed!

      • Original Rebel

        I was all for the Convention of the States; until I heard that by doing that, it will somehow open up a whole new can of worms. I was never able to catch the reasoning behind this. If anybody out there knows why a Convention wouldn’t be the panacea, kindly inform us.

        • Mike H.

          Rebel, all I can say is that a “can of worms” is preferable to the “can of Piranha” we seem to have now. Just saying that to make my comparison. My opinion, and it’s just my opinion you understand, is that the perceived can of worms comes from the political point of view. A constitutional ammendment can begin in the H.O.R. ,go to the Senate, then be signed by the President and then go to the states for ratification. If the states pass it then all this would seem very agreeable. The problem, of course, is in those three branches of government. They will not propose anything that limits their power or terms in office. I did a little research and found that the reason for the 17th ammentment to have Senators elected instead of appointed, was because it was thought the Senators who were appointed by the states and were under the states legislature influence with the fear they could be recalled at any time and replaced by another. I live in Kentucky. I watched McConnell be elected again on the promise, over and over again, that the very first thing he would do was “Repeal O’Bamacare, hook, line and sinker” But the very first thing he did was hurry up and pass gov’t funding for two years that included all the money O’bama wanted by doing this before the newly elected Senators and Reps could take office. So, our elected officials are not going to change anything or rein themselves in in any way they cannot reverse later, if they so choose. So, I believe, it is up to the states to use the powers given them in the Constitution, to make the major changes needed at this time. That is term limits for all Reps, Senators, judges (at all levels). There is much more that could be addressed, like gov’t agencies (EPA,DOE,DOL,DOT, etc,etc) passing regulations into law that are not approved by HOR or Senate. Never in my lifetime was I so insulted as to hear Ms. Polosi say about O’bamacare, “We have to pass it to find out what’s in it”. Our reps seem to be saying they are to busy to actually read the laws they are passing. So, I do not think a Convention of States would open a can of worms because 38 states would have to approve whatever was proposed. And that’s a pretty big burden for the states. And again, our current reps are never going to promote their our demise. Reply if you like. Some people like to educate, some like to be educated. I like both.

          • dodger4754

            Very well explained, sir. And if an amendment that would be detrimental, such as a proposal to rescind the Second Amendment, were to be proposed, there’s not a chance in hell that 38 states would go along with that. Also, as I replied to RedRiverD, above, A CofS could include penalties for violations of ANY parts of the Constitution.

          • Chamileon

            PSYCHOBABBLE……….STFU

          • Mike H.

            Thank you, Chamileon, for the 2 seconds you obviously spent in crafting your well thought out reply. You do a great injustice to the animal, the Chamileon.They have a natural ability to change colors to blend into their surroundings. I think we’ll all see you for the person you are in any surroundings. As long as anyone who might have a different opinion from your’s just “STFU” then all will be well in your world.

          • Original Rebel

            I’m all for education, if it’s the right kind (ref’d to our school system) BUT, it is my understanding that IF the conservative states hold a “convention of states” – the “can of worms” they open is that in the next election cycle the other side could do the same. Stupid as that sounds, IF it’s true, absolutely NOTHING would be gained. There’s got to be a better way — but it seems that all we have is the vote! SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT EVERYBODY GET OUT THERE AND VOTE!!!

          • Mike H.

            Rebel, by education I just meant some people only want it to go one way. I like to be able to help teach others a point of view and am open myself to theirs. I am a consevative person but I have discussed things with very liberal people that were able to have the discussion in a straight forward, quiet way. No yelling, screaming or name calling. Although those are few and far between, they are out there.
            The concerns you wrote about in your reply are very valid. I thought the last two election cycles, where we conservaties gave “so called” conservatives, the majority in the House and then the Senate so that they could do the right thing and start reining in O’bama. First thing Mitch did was ram everything O’bama wanted into a two year funding bill and pass it BEFORE any of our newly elected people could take office. So, voting, which I do, does not guarantee who we vote for is going to do what we elected them to do. That’s why I believe term limits are a must. And they are not going to impose them on themselves. So we must.
            With the amount of time to put together a COS, propose all the amendments needed, pass it and so forth,I don’t see this happening often between election cycles. I have done a bit of reading on this and have found that only one other time since the Constitution was written, has a COS been tried and it failed to get the required number of states to pass it at that time. So, it’s not an easy process, as it should not be. We don’t need to be changing our Constitution at every whim.
            As I said, I try to read and gather factual information. I thought the Equal Rights Amensment from the early 70’s was the last Constitutional amendment. I remember when it was going around the states. Here’s a flash. I found out that the E.R.A. was first proposed in 1923 and it never passed the 3/4 requirement to be sent to the states until 1972. It was to have 7 years for the states to ratify. Only 35 had done so by the end of the time limit so congress extended the limit 39 more months. Some thought that was not quite playing by the rules, but it happened. After the 39 months passed, it was still not ratified by 38 states so it died. As of today, it still has not been ratified by 38 states. So the proposed amendment to the constitution that guarantees equaliy on the basis of sex has never been ratified and made a part of the constitution. And it’s been out there trying to become part of our laws and constitution for 93 years. Still waiting on those last 3 states to ratify. And from what I read, there is no hurry on the part of the states or congress to pass it BECAUSE EVERYONE THINKS IT’S ALREADY THE LAW!!!!!!!
            So, I was educated today on something and passed it along to others I believe want to learn. Educating and being educated.

          • Original Rebel

            Thanks for proving my point (it seems, on it’s face, that the COS is useless), and I totally agree with you on term limits etc. These jerks have been in power way too long and have suppressed the citizens of this country far too much and far too long. The Pilgrims left England for less than what we are suffering, and it is time to call them all out and term limit every last government position there is! There is no possible “fair shake” for the people under any other conditions!. Thank you for your obvious knowledge and for sharing it with all of us.

          • Mike H.

            Rebel, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. While the COS has not been sucessful before,and I have no idea how long ago that was, I feel it is the only way out for us now. That’s because there are only two ways to term limit these politicans. One is for them to pass a term limit bill, which could be undone at any time by any future congress, or do it by constitional amendment. And I don’t trust the ability not to change it in the future to the politicans alone. The states have to be involved. The COS would take the wiggle room away from the politicans. And don’t forget things like the judges, balanced budget amendments, etc. It may take more time than we think but we cannot rush through it. We need to cover as many bases as we can while the support is there. I liken our current politicans to a wife beater. Every time we gat beat to death and have the bruises to show for it, they just promise to not do it again if we’ll only let them off for now. I just can’t take them at their word anymore.

          • Original Rebel

            You’re preaching to the choir, Mike. Mark Levin has been “preaching” the Article 5 Amendment and it has gone only so far, and has not progressed in two years! We don’t have enough conservative people in the states anymore to help make sure it happens! Too much apathy and cynicism. I hold no hope for an Art. 5 Constitutional amendment. Sorry – but I’ve lived long enough to watch the uselessness of our citizens. They cannot claim descendency of the true pilgram pioneers who settled this country. Too jaded, spoiled, narcissistic and just plain damn lazy!

    • Juanita Elrod Reed

      U R RIGHT WHO WAS THIS JUDGE WE NEED TO GO AFTER THE JUDGE

      • Original Rebel

        Trouble is, I didn’t see the judge named, did you?

        • RedRiverD

          Yes, but it is public record, so it can’t be too hard to find out who he was.

          • Original Rebel

            You’re right and if it were happening in my state, I would definitely find the Judge and start a movement to unseat his ass.

      • Chamileon

        YOU`RE CRAZY AS HELL, YOU DAMN RIGHTWING NUT JOBS THINK YOU`RE SUPPOSE TO ALWAYS GET YOUR WAY….WRONG…DEAL WITH YOUR LOSS LIKE A MAN OR LEAVE THE COUNTRY………HURRY, HURRY, YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED……

        • k9

          chameleon, you must be one of obozo’s gay bathhouse sucking buddies
          you don’t have the brains to pour piss out of a boot with the directions written on the heel

    • RedRiverD

      God will handle them. They may think that they are above the law, but NOT God’s laws.

    • Chamileon

      YOU THINK YOU`RE GOD, SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH YOUR IGNORANT ASS ?.

      • Original Rebel

        It’s you lunatic leftwing liberal lugnuts who think they are God. It’s you lunatic leftwing liberal lugnuts who DEMAND that everyone agree with you, or you name call, belittle and scream like babies who don’t get their way (Ohole comes to mind) if anyone DARES to call you on your vile beliefs.

        BTW, you can’t even spell “Chameleon” correctly. How stupid are you, anyway?

  • Lillyhammer Lip

    Lead works pretty good.

  • Chuck Rosenthal

    I believe that EVERYONE has the right to decide with whom they will do business. Suppose they had refused to host a lesbian orgy or something of the sort on their property and suppose the judge then decided their decision was acceptable. That would take the subject out of the framework of law and render it personal decision by the judge. This neurotic perverted and arbitrary “new interpretation” of law by the judiciary needs to end. For God’s sake, it’s their home. They have a right, when hosting an event, to decide what is and isn’t acceptable to them.

    • wellilltellya

      barry has already started the ball rolling on the “GOVERNMENT’ will decide what is a sin that is so far out of bounds for what the corrupt gathering in Washington. barry is trying so hard to start a civil war so his army that is already in the country ( refugees) in a Trojan horse and I thought AMERICA was smarter than leaving that fraud in office

  • jbozarth

    I’d connect with some legal conservative groups and see if they would help in an appeals process and then take this to the next level. I’m sick of Christians losing all their rights. This has got to stop.

    • Chamileon

      CHRISTIANS DON`T HAVE ANY RIGHTS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON`T HAVE………….GROW UP BITCH.

  • Jim McCormack

    Re-educating one against his Christian beliefs seems unconstitutional . That means the government is ,in affect, saying you are not entitled to believe. This can’t be correct.

    • Rodney Steward

      It is Unconstitutional!

      • RedRiverD

        So is everything that BHO and his minions (administration) do.
        But there are NO politicians with enough guts to do anything about him.

        • Chamileon

          BHO IS A CONTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE CONTITUTION THAN YOUR DUMBASS……SO STFU.

          • Rodney Steward

            Obama’s like U, he’s dumb as a box of rocks and U don’t know if he’s a scholar or not, NOBODY has EVER SEEN anything about his schooling or his birth certificate! So it looks like you’re the uninformed dumbass!

          • Chamileon

            WRONG………..YOU`RE JUST AN IGNORANT RACIST LYING JACKASS AND A BLIND SHITHEAD WHO SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE REGARDLESS OF WHATS THERE……….HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE JEALOUS OF A BLACK MAN THAT YOU THINK YOU`RE SUPERIOR TO ?.

          • Michael Bowen

            Chamileon …. No …Not lying you just refuse to admit to the facts . and to think my dislike of him is because of his race not his Lies and Policies . just shows who the true racist is …You . I didn’t like some of Bush’s policies and said so why is that not racist ? and if you didn’t like Bush or Reagan why does that not make you racist ? but not liking Obama makes me racist ? can you say hypocrisy ? I think you can say it but refuse to see yours . First here are some more facts you wont like Playing the race card and calling people names is all you got . and calling some one a racist because they don’t agree with you is just a cheap attempt to be dismissive and try to silence them . but that only works on the weak minded or children not so much on Adults that are not willing to pander to your whining rants . He is my President not my nor anyone’s Superior . no one is Superior to another . or don’t you get that ether ? And all caps ? really? I would have to say you are childish as well, throwing a tantrum . and Jealous ? LMAO talk about desperate and reaching for straws . and that was a very childish move . and a major fail .

          • Michael Bowen

            Rodney Steward First I never said anything about his Birth . By law all he needs is to have one of his Parents be an American Citizen for him to be one and Eligible . don’t know if you were taking to me but I will address it . 2nd when Interviews with fellow students , teachers, Professors , at the Colleges he attended , and teachers and Professors he worked with and for make it clear he was not, then he was not and we know it and so does He . that’s why him and his staff stopped making that claim because they know it has been disproved . and why he wont claim to be one now ,he will say the Constitution is something he knows something about , but then so do 10’s of Millions of people . he can imply all he wants but he wont say it because he knows even the press will call him out and he already has way to many lies he has been called out on he does not need to repeat them . And the last thing, He has already had things he said was Constitutional ruled by the Supreme Court as Unconstitutional so I guess he doesn’t know as much as he thinks he does the problem is for every thing he does that is Unconstitutional it takes 2 to 4 years to get through the Court and he knows that too and uses it to claim its Constitutionality till the Supreme Court rules it not to be then he just says they got it wrong and that’s just arrogance . So the Fact and the Truth is he is not nor has he ever been a Constitutional Scholar .and the only work he has ever done as a lawyer was as a Community Organizer that only deals with 2 or 3 Amendments out of 27 and that’s like trying to have a tax lawyer defend you on murder charges it just wont work

          • Michael Bowen

            Rodney Steward , sorry I thought you were posting to me . that was my mistake and wrong assumption I apologize . but I hope some of the info I posted will help you know how and why we do know He (Obama ) is not a Constitutional Scholar . again sorry I will always acknowledge my mistakes

          • Rodney Steward

            We all make mistakes Michael, I’ve done the very same thing, more than ONCE, and like U I will always admit when I’m wrong! These far left can make a person so mad with their crazy thinking! Have a great weekend and will probably see U in another forum some where!

          • Michael Bowen

            Rodney Steward . Glad you got the post and thanks for understanding see you on the next forum looking forward to it

          • Suzu M

            Then he is a failure of that class.

          • Chamileon

            SHUT UP LOSER………….

          • Suzu M

            Why?

          • Michael Bowen

            Chamileon….Hate to bust your bubble But BHO is NOT a CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR and never was it was debunked the first time that lie came out(from the media and his campaign) and was proven wrong by many ,even the real Professors and SCHOLARS at the Colleges he attended nor was he ever a CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR He in fact taught a 1 hour class 1 once a week and even done that badly . but like most liberals if you repeat a lie often enough some people will think its the truth like you did .He in fact didn’t even come close to being a CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR . but if he was (he is NOT) he would not be a very good one, as many of his actions have been over turned by the Supreme Court who are . Him claiming something is Constitutional is all he does but the facts don’t support that . he lies . and even some on the Supreme Court lie when they try to say some things are Constitutional when they are not . that’s called politics over TRUTH !! many of his EO’s EA,s and EP,s are in fact UNCONSTITUTIONAL(ILLEGAL) but he knows it will take years for them to get through the Courts so on some of them he uses that time to keep claiming they are(Constitutional when they are not) . and on the ones the Supreme Court has ruled as UNCONSTITUTIONAL he has the arrogance to say THEY GOT IT WRONG ! LOL .P.S. No one has to STFU just because you don’t like the truth or what they say Even you . I won’t tell you what he has done the was ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL because I can tell by your childish rant and name calling you would just say I was lying so look it up yourself . and try to do it right just facts not BS from his PR teams . And I will be waiting for your line of BS you will most likely try to spew . get ready to be schooled

          • Chamileon

            BULLSHIT…..I WILL NOT ENTERTAIN SUCH RACIST IGNORANCE…….STFU

          • Rodney Steward

            Mr. Bowen put U in YO place didn’t he, it’s hard to beat an EDUCATION, so why don’t U get one I’m sure it would be free for U!! HA, HA, what a sick puppy!

          • kirk chartier

            In other words you are saying “don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up.” Now who is the ignorant one.

          • Michael Bowen

            Chamileon … So to you any one that states the facts or truth is racist ? That is an interesting perspective , Twisted but interesting .

          • Michael Bowen

            Oh almost forgot . Again you don’t seem to get it, like you I don’t have to STFU just because it hurts your feeling or does not support your delusion .

          • Larry J Humphrey

            Sounds like a ‘person’ who can no longer rely on the ‘truth’ to make a point.
            You need to get re-educated my brother. Get some REAL education. If you have too many people willing to debate and prove you wrong, pick someone that appears to be a weakling. I’m sure he/she would love to take you to the educational outhouse.

          • Suzu M

            Agree. Thanks.

          • Michael Bowen

            Suzu M…Thank you . it is amazing what you can learn when you actually read the Constitution and read the federalist papers as well as what the founding fathers wrote as to what was in the Constitution as well as its meaning and intent . Yes I found myself with a lot of time on my hands after I was forced to retire LOL (my last Combat tour in Iraq could have went better but I still have all my fingers and toes ) some don’t …when I was younger I thought knew the 1st 10 Amendments called the Bill of Rights well ,but now I know so mush more about it and the rest of the Constitution as well .but some times that just seems to piss some people off LOL

          • Suzu M

            yes, I know! When we have a lot of time on our hands….READ! Read the BIBLE first and STUDY the Constitution and observe our LEADERS-in the Church AND in Government. That was just ONE BLESSING, when my husband lost his job because of back problems. We all learned a whole lot more! Sometimes I think, society keeps things hard on us so we’re TOO busy…TO THINK!

          • Michael Bowen

            Suzu M You are right , life does distract us , but as in my case TV did it more LOL had to learn to turn it off or learn how to multi task LOL

          • Suzu M

            grin. Now THAT was funny.

      • Chamileon

        IT`S NOT UNCONSTITUTIONAL, YOU ARE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CONSTITUTIONAL ILLITERATES………YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION BUT NOT YOUR OWN FACTS……….GO READ.

        • Rodney Steward

          Hey stupid, get educated and informed you’re such a waste of time!

          • Chamileon

            NOW LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND TELL THAT TO THE IGNORANT ASSHOLE YOU SEE STARING BACK YOU…………

        • Suzu M

          Highly disagree.

          • Chamileon

            WHO CARES IF YOU DISAGREE?, THE TRUTH REMAINS THE SAME REGARDLESS TO WHO IS WILLING TO VOICE IT………….

          • Suzu M

            Exactly. The Truth never changes. But there is no such thing as MANY TRUTHS. There can be only ONE.
            The fact is, the universe came into being in only ONE way.
            There is only ONE correct version of your birth story, no matter HOW many people try to tell it differently.
            The space shuttle blew up because of only ONE fact, no matter how many theories we have. Only God knows the details.
            A murder took place and there is only ONE truth of who committed it, though many of the investigators can TRY to piece the evidence together.
            The Truth NEVER changes and there is only ONE.

          • Suzu M

            oh…and YOU care if I disagree. Or we wouldn’t see so many rants on here.

        • dodger4754

          He is saying that to FORCE someone to attend “re-education classes” is unconstitutional. Would it be Constitutional for “…ALL THEM IGNORANT ASS CONSERVATIVES ON THE SUPREME COURT…”, as you put it, to order YOU to be “re-educated” on something YOU believe in?

          • Chamileon

            YES………IF WHAT I BELIEVE IN IS ALL FUCKED UP AND TRAMPLES ON THE RIGHTS OF OTHER PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY DON`T BELIEVE THE SAME DAMN DUMB SHIT I BELIEVE……YOU CAN BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO IT HAS NOT A DAMN THING TO DO WITH WHAT IS TRUE…..

          • Suzu M

            Wow.

    • Mark Davison

      Seems unconstitutional ?!?! It not only IS that, it’s plainly Christian persecution. This is what it looks like when a nation begins to receive the judgment of God, because of our increasing sinfulness, and immorality. But then again, there are the Lords words…”If my people, who are called by my name…”

      • gingerale

        2nd Chronicles 7:14

      • Kevin

        If someone ordered me to go to some kind of faggot reeducation course, I’d tell them to go to hell. If they tried to arrest me for refusing faggot indoctrination, I’d exercise my Second Amendment rights and blow their heads off. This stupid crap has to END!!!

        • Mark Davison

          I like your spirit

        • Chamileon

          YEAH…. BLOW THEIR HEAD OFF WITH YOUR STINKING BREATH………..YOUR HOMOPHOBIC STUPIDITY MUST END…..IF YOU`RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THEN YOU MUST SERVE THE PUBLIC, YOU CANNOT TELL TWO CONSENTING ADULTS WHO THEY CAN SLEEP WITH…….YOUR RELIGION IS YOUR PROBLEM THAT`S JUST YOUR BELIEF KEEP IT TO YOURSELF………

          • Kevin

            Go to hell, idiot!

          • Chamileon

            I`M LIVING IN HELL NOW SO THAT`S A SHORT TRIP………….ASSHOLE.

          • Suzu M

            Okay, so …why are you living in hell now. Obviously something is wrong for you to say that. Can we help you?

          • Suzu M

            MMM…NO.
            If two consenting adults wish to sleep with each other they may do so at their own physical and spiritual and mental risk. HOWEVER, they in NO WAY can call it a marriage and they in NO WAY can expect society to think it’s an OKAY AND NORMAL THING, because ….it AIN’T. Our ‘religion’ as you call it, is not a problem, it is THE solution.

          • Chamileon

            THAT`S YOUR FUCKED UP OPINION………..OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES EVERBODY HAS ONE…..WHITE RACSIT MISOGYNIST HOMOPHOBIC RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTION….

          • Rodney Steward

            I take it U must be a Queer, and a black one at that!

          • Suzu M

            It must be really hard for you to be of the minority. Don’t you understand how AWFUL MESSED UP HOMOSEXUALITY HAS BEEN VIEWED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS??????? And then a few % of the U.S. population, after being denied teachings of God in public schools, suddenly decide that EVERYONE ELSE is just plain wrong and are white racist misogynist homophobic religion followers.
            Don’t you find that a bit odd? Or did you not take history in school? Have you not studied about past societies? All homosexuals were considered at the very least, WEIRD and CREEPY and at the very most, DEMON POSSESSED and mentally sick and they lived AWAY from society. They absolutely did NOT fit in.
            It is our sick society that is pushing this on us, pretending and lying to our young that ANYTHING GOES, as long as YOU want to do it. They don’t teach you anymore to deny your temptations and work towards living an upright life.
            So, no, it is not MY opinion that is messed up. It is the ‘new teachings of society’ that is.

      • Chamileon

        HOGWASH………….

      • Suzu M

        Amen!!!

      • Chamileon

        PLEASE……GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK………..

    • Canadave

      It isn’t correct. The lunatics have taken over the asylum. You don’t live in a free country anymore.

      • josh

        You can prevent people from holding an event somewhere bc u don’t like who or what they are. It is not a church its a reception location. They were not asking the farm to marry them. It’s the same laws that prevent businesses from restricting service to minorities. If they have strict views then u can run a reception hall/location

        Simple

        • Kevin

          Except that being “black” or “Hispanic” is not an abomination in the eyes of God, but homosexual behavior is (see Leviticus 20:13, Romans, Ch 1, or 1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Reader’s Digest version: Homosexuals (and a few other cited examples) will not inherit the Kingdom of God – God’s rules, not mine…

          • josh

            It’s a book written by men. Who cares.

          • Kevin

            You will, about 1 second after you die.

          • kennethdower

            Interesting; I didn’t know being a smug arrogant prick was a Christian value.

          • Chamileon

            IT IS ……..THEY ARE ALL SCREWED UP AND CONFUSED….BEING MISINFORMED IS WORSE THAN BEING IGNORANT…

          • k9

            ;OOK WHO IS ALL SCREWED UP AND CONFUSED. CHAMILEON IS SO SCREWED UP IN THE HEAD, SHE PROBABLY DONT KNOW THAT HER TOES ARE ON HER FEET

          • conservative since 1962

            In one of its other screen names it claimed to be GOD and female!
            Are you sure that “Chamileon” is a “she”?

          • Chamileon

            I KNOW YOU DON`T KNOW YOUR ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND……YOUR RELIGION IS YOUR BELIEF AND THAT`S ALL IT IS…..NO DAMN PROOF ANYWHERE.

          • josh

            The 10 commandments were written by God the rest are just written by men

          • Chamileon

            NOON OF THAT SHIT WAS WRITTEN BY GOD IT WAS ALL WRITTEN BY MAN……..THE 10 COMMANDMENTS WERE STOLEN FROM THE 42 NEGATIVE CONFESSIONS 2000 YEARS AFTER THE FACT….MOSES WAS NOT THE LAW GIVER HIS ASS LEFT EYGPT RUNNING FROM THE LAW AFTER ASSAULTING ONE OF THE KINGS BODY GUARDS……THAT WAS THE LAW, SO HOW COULD HE BE THE LAW GIVER ?, IT`S ALL BULLSHIT….

          • josh

            Moses freed his ppl. But to b honest it’s so long ago u can’t know what really happened.

            My point about the 10 commandments is that it is the only thing that is even said to have come from God. The bible is said by all to be written by man.

            Personally I believe in we all don’t know. That’s why it’s called faith. And it’s something for urself not something for ppl to push on to others

          • Suzu M

            The bible states that it is written by man INSPIRED BY GOD….so yes, it IS WRITTEN by God. In fact, Jesus Christ is considered by God, to BE THE WORD. For He was sent to us to communicate God’s love and laws and judgement and forgiveness.
            How can we believe the Bible is inspired by God?
            Go to:
            http://www.christianministriesintl.org/articles/Bible-the-Inspired-Word-of-God.php

            For starters.

          • Chamileon

            EVERY BOOK THAT WAS EVER WRITTEN WAS INSPIRED BY GOD, YOO CAN`T DO A DAMN THING WITHOUT INSPIRATION, EVEN WHEN YOU TAKE A SHIT YOU MUST FIRST BE INSPIRED TO DO SO………..DUMBASS

          • kirk chartier

            Now that is one of the most moronic things you have ever said. And that is saying a lot. When Adolf Hitler wrote “Me Duncough” or something like that. Saying that was Devinely inspired makes you a fool and a dangerous one at that.

          • Chamileon

            WHAT CAN YOU DO WITHOUT INSPIRATION ?, NOT A GODDAM THING…..SO THAT MAKES YOU THE REAL FOOL FOR FALLING FOR THAT RELIGIOUS BULLLSHIT THAT YOU CANNOT PROVE ……….DUMMY

          • kirk chartier

            Satan inspires too. But you don’t believe in him either do you? Everybody here (except your fellow fools) knows who the dummy is here. Took almost 3 days to come up with a come back. You have heard of the “march of time?” You are the worthless in-law “WASTE OF TIME”

          • Suzu M

            Chamileon, you don’t have to be angry because people, besides yourself, believe that there is a God to answer to and to love and to respect and to honor and to obey. and that they wish YOU to know about Him, too. HOWEVER, it is very telling when you respond in such anger and scorn to my posts. That is the DEVIL responding in you to the FACT of GOD. The Devil has already been conquered by the Cross, and he most definitely wants to take anyone with him he can get. The Devil is a sore loser. His motive, his whole goal, now that he knows he has lost, is to prevent as many people as possible from knowing the very God Who conquered him.
            You’re better than that. Don’t let the devil keep you. Jesus Christ has already gone out of His way, to show YOU His love.
            I pray that He brands this conversation on your forehead, so you will forever remember it, and some day, when you are ready, you will come to recognize Jesus Christ for Whom He really is.

          • Chamileon

            YOU`RE SICK AS HELL GET AWAY FROM

          • Suzu M

            May this conversation be forever branded in your memory.
            May God bless you so much that you don’t WANT to run from Him anymore.

          • Chamileon

            YOU GOT THAT RIGHT…………..I AGREE 100 %

          • Suzu M

            I’m sorry Chamileon, but I care too much about you to leave this go.
            Your anger in regard to the Bible and Christian Principles is a common thing among a certain group of people. You are being taught VERY WRONG. And there is a thread of hate, anger, bitterness, viciousness etc that is woven among this viewpoint.
            God is a good God and deserves our utmost respect. He does not NEED to tolerate something in your life that continues to separate you from Him.
            Be very careful who you listen to in regard to the Bible and it’s God-given authority. God is Real and so is His judgement.

          • Chamileon

            PROVE IT SHIT FOR BRAINS ?…………

          • Suzu M

            God already did ALL THE PROVING necessary. If you actually looked into the facts, you would have to admit that. Don’t be led by teachers who hate the idea of God. Do your own thinking.
            Consider that if the Bible was a big fat lie, why would the writers DARE to give exact NAMES, DATES, and TIMES throughout it’s accounts? They HAD to have known that they could be EASILY disproved. FAKES don’t do that. Fakes remain evasive in detail. THE BIBLE does not. The people listed in the Bible are known in OUTSIDE accounts as REAL people. The happenings of the Bible, conquered cities and such are KNOWN to have happened. Sometimes it took some archaeological digging to find it, but they were FOUND.
            The Bible is awesome and you’re missing out. I don’t want you to miss out. Discovering how true and accurate the Bible is, is an amazingly exciting thing!

          • kirk chartier

            Prov 12:15-16 & Prov 1:7

          • Suzu M

            Yes. And we must pray that THAT doesn’t happen to US.

          • josh

            And if somehow ur right and God hates ppl for being who they are then I want no part of his plan.

            But I’m sure god doesn’t hate ppl for being who they are

          • doctorbob

            When you were born, you were given Free Will. You could be anyone you wanted to be, or do anything you wanted to do. But your choice was YOUR choice, not God’s. Therefore, absolutely, yes, God can and DOES hate people for being who they are, IF they freely chose to be something unnatural. Otherwise, you might try to create an idea that God doesn’t hate you for being a child murderer, or a rapist, or an arsonist who burns churches, etc. You became that way BECAUSE you had Free Will. And you chose poorly! There ARE consequences for everything you are, and everything you do.

          • josh

            They are born that way. Their are gay animals in the wild it is something that you are born with

          • conservative since 1962

            No! It is a choice which may be influenced by those who “know” that which isn’t so.

          • josh

            Then why r they gay animals in nature

          • josh

            It’s natural ur born that way

          • kirk chartier

            Sin is always going to be a choice. It is a choice generally rooted in a unhealed wounding. Women become lesbian generally because a man wounded them and in their mind all men are the same so they want someone kinder and gentler. Men become gay (generally ) because of a father wounding or they become a sex crazed maniac that will nail any woman just to prove their manhood.

          • josh

            Lol ok. U must be an expert

          • kirk chartier

            Actually there is a wise saying.
            An intelligent person will learn from their mistakes.
            a wise person learns from the mistakes of others.
            a fool just repeats their mistakes. Also not recognizing a mistake for a mistake would also qualify for a fool

          • josh

            Huh

          • kirk chartier

            So what part has caused you cofusion?

          • josh

            Are u calling homosexuals fools

          • Chamileon

            PSYCHOBABBLE…………MUDERERS, RAPIST, AND ARSONIST HURT OTHER POEPLE HOMOS ONLY HURT THEMSELVES……..YOU`RE TRYING TO COMPARE ORANGES AND EYE GLASSES….STFU

          • Suzu M

            Wow. admitting that homosexuals hurt themselves. This is a good first step.

          • Suzu M

            And it hurts ALL of SOCIETY by trying ACTIVELY trying to promote homosexuality as NORMAL. When it’s not. By demanding RE EDUCATION classes for the normal people. For suing business owners who won’t participate in same sex occasions. By demanding the right to adopt a vulnerable child.. yes, it’s VERY harmful.

          • kirk chartier

            GOD hates sin but not the sinner. But that doesn’t mean he will condone or allow continual sin. When GOD destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah he didn’t do it out of hatred, he gave them chances to repent, they didn’t so GOD chose to protect the healthy others rather than let the cancer spread. The same was also true of the flood and the ark. Now Nineveh was evil but GOD gave them a chance to repent and spared them when they did. Jonah got angry at GOD for his love and mercy till GOD set him straight too.

          • Chamileon

            WHAT IS SIN ?, SIN NEVER HURT ANYONE ONLY PEOPLE HURT PEOPLE……….

          • kirk chartier

            I wasn’t talking to you. Talking with you is like talking to pond scum it is totally pointless and useless.

          • Chamileon

            TAHT`S BECAUSE YOU CAN`T BAMBOOZLE ME WITH YOUR WHITE RACIST RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT…….YOU HAVE A VERY WEAK ARGUMENT…..DUMMY

          • kirk chartier

            Nobody but you brought up racist crap.
            I am more Cree Indian than your white house hero is black.
            It took you 5 days to come up with a response and even then you misspell “that’s” so who’s the dummy now?
            As I said before you’re dumber than pond scum.

          • Chamileon

            who gives a damn ……….dummy

          • Chamileon

            PSYCHOBABBLE……..BULLSHIT

          • Chamileon

            HE SHOULDN`T HATE THEM HE CREATED THEM……………THAT WOULD MAKE GOD A HYPOCRITE

          • Suzu M

            Therefore, God the Creator, doesn’t HATE them. He hates the sin that SEPARATES US FROM Him. 🙂

          • Suzu M

            A Christ who goes out of His way to suffer a terrible death on the Cross, to save YOU and ME from our sins and rejoin us to God the Father, LOVES people. But admitting that we HAVE sin is the next step. That seems to be the problem for many people. I guess they think ANYTHING is perfect.

          • josh

            No I’m saying u can’t judge

          • Suzu M

            Hm. Where did you see ME judge. God wants us to be DISCERNING. There’s a difference between knowing what GOD says and commands, and being a rude fool who slams everyone just for the fun of it.
            And there’s a big difference between Wisdom and Compassion. Just because we sympathize with someone doesn’t mean we pretend that they are in the right.
            True love tells the truth.

          • josh

            How do what he says ?

          • Suzu M

            Excuse me,
            If you are asking me, “How do /you know/ what He says?”
            That’s easy and self explanatory. The Bible is the inspired Word of God. And we can find guidance there.
            Earlier I posted a link that lead to an article. In it there was a response to a college student about how can we know the bible is reliable. The following is from that article.
            The Bible is made up of 66 books written by 40 different authors who came from a variety of backgrounds: shepherds, fisherman, doctors, kings, prophets and more. And most of the authors never knew each other personally.
            These 66 books were written over a period of 1,500 years, reminding us that these people never knew or collaborated with one another.
            These books were written in three different languages: Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. A reflection of the cultural and historical circumstances at the time when each was written.
            These 66 books were written on three different continents: Africa, Asia and Europe, another reflection of the cultural and historical circumstances of God’s people.

            Now THINK, everyone:
            These 66 books holds a common story line: the creation, fall, and redemption of God’s people; a common theme- God’s UNIVERSAL love for all of humanity; and a common message- SALVATION is AVAILABLE TO ALL WHO REPENT OF THEIR SINS and commit to following God with all of their heart, soul, mind and strength,. In addition, these 66 books contain no historical errors or contradictions.

            So HERE is the challenge the author offered:
            If you do not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, if you do not believe that the Bible is of a supernatural origin, than here is a test for you.
            I challenge you to go to ANY library in the world, and find 66 books which match the characteristics of the 66 books in the Bible. They must be 66 books written by 40 different authors, over 1500 years, in 3 different languages, written on 3 different continents. They must share a common story line, a common theme, and a common message, with NO historical errors or contradictions. If you can produce such a collection of books, I will admit that the Bible is NOT the inspired word of God.”

            I, Suzu, add this. There is a reason people are not taught these facts about the Bible. SOMEONE doesn’t want you to appreciate it. The WORLD has something to lose, if most of us accept Christ, because the WORLD won’t be able to get what it wants when Christianity stands in the way. When GOD’s STANDARDS prevent them from committing their own folly.
            As CHRISTIANS, we don’t get ANY earthly award. We do not become RICH, HONORED, FAMOUS. We don’t become KINGS and RULERS. We don’t get to run the world they way WE want. We have no earthly award. We are slandered, we are mocked, we are scorned, and most of all, ironically, WE are JUDGED.
            If we dare to offer God’s standard and His free gift of salvation to someone as a way of freedom, we are HATED. We are shunned.
            So, when I go out of my way, to share something from the inspired Word of God, it’s out of LOVE, because I KNOW it to be true.
            I know it by FAITH. I know it by EVIDENCE. I know it by witnessing LIVES BEING CHANGED FOR THE BETTER in other people’s lives.

            Romans 1:20-22
            “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
            21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
            22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”

            Two things:
            1. Before you say, “I don’t believe the Bible, so your little verses, don’t effect me,” REMEMBER the ABOVE CHALLENGE.
            The odds the bible is NOT inspired are far too high. Impossible.

            2. Please read further in Romans chapter 1 because the ENTIRE chapter is very important.

            Spoken in love, whether anyone appreciates it or not.
            Be blessed with this knowledge.

          • josh

            Inspired by God but interpreted by man. Who are sinners right?

          • kirk chartier

            Thanks for sharing this. GOD BLESS YOU!!

          • Suzu M

            You’re welcome.

          • Chamileon

            THE BIBLE WAS CREATED BY MAN, RELIGION WAS CREATED BY MAN, AND GOD WAS CREATED BY MY……….THE BIBLE IS NOT A HISTORY BOOK IT`S A BOOK OF FAIRY TALES, MYTHS AND FABLES……….

          • Suzu M

            It is so interesting that this post sounds like it is coming directly from Satan’s mouth.
            Listen, it is not a HARD thing to believe in God. Even the devil and his demons believe in Him.
            God’s fingerprints surround us in Nature. Our personalities and intellect and emotions reflect God’s. The design and engineering of man-made buildings and other projects REFLECT GOD’S creativity.
            The Bible is INDEED part History. The History of the Jews. However it ALSO speaks of OTHER RULERS in the world by NAME correctly, and in the right location and time. It speaks of destroyed cities. That have now been found.
            It also speaks of things that even we modern people were not aware of until the past 100 years or so, scientifically speaking.
            It spoke of the world being ROUND, when in THOSE days, people assumed it was flat. It told how to prevent diseases from spreading, and it was correct. It speaks of things like circumcising baby boys on the 8th day. Why the 8th day? We now know that the 8th day is the one day that Vitamin K, what our body needs to clot our blood, is the HIGHEST of any other day. And in the hospitals today, our babies need a shot of vitamin K before performing the circumcision. That’s NOT coincidence.
            Also, did you know that LAMB’S BLOOD has a CLEANSING AGENT IN IT???? A nurse who took a class on Blood in college learned about that. It is the ONLY animal that’s blood can actually CLEAN things. Isn’t it amazing, that God chose to call His Son the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world?
            So, when you try to claim the Bible is a book of fairy tales, myths and fables to a group of People who have actually STUDIED IT, it isn’t of any use.
            Anyone, can research this information and find the Bible to be historically accurate etc.
            Again, may this conversation be burned upon your memory forever. Because I really want you to examine Scripture yourself, find Truth in it, and to be able to come to God yourself, someday.

          • Chamileon

            WHAT IS GOD?, WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?, WHAT IS SIN?, WHAT IS THE DEVIL? WHERE DID THE DEVIL COME FROM?, WHY WAS THE DEVIL MADE AND WHAT WAS THE DEVIL MADE OUT OF ?…………….

          • Suzu M

            God exists outside of Time. He has ALWAYS existed and WILL always exist. That includes Jesus Christ.
            Sin is rebellion against God.
            The Devil was created as an angel, the head angel, an angel of music. Angels have FREE CHOICE. The devil, in his jealously against God, rebelled against his Creator and 1/3 of the other angels chose to go with him.
            Though the bible tells us that Adam was made from the earth, and Eve was made from Adam’s rib, it does NOT tell us the DETAILS of what angels were made from.
            It’s also important to know that the devil can deceive us as an angel of light. He can make Right look WRONG and WRONG look right. That’s why we need equipped with the Truth.
            Here is a link to a few verses that have to do with the devil.
            http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Devil/

            From your last question, you seem to think that God and Satan are equal in power. They are not. God is the only REAL God. And He created Satan. Satan then rebelled. And that’s where ‘evil’ as we know it begins.

          • Chamileon

            YOU`RE RIGHT…….ONLY IGNORANT HUMANS DO THAT…………

          • Chamileon

            HOW DO YOU KNOW ? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN DEAD ASSHOLE ?

          • Kevin

            Obviously, you’re an idiot.

          • Chamileon

            OBVIOUSLY , YOU`RE FULL OF SHIT………

          • doctorbob

            When you die and discover you are on the Down Elevator, you’ll care a whole bunch!

          • josh

            I think I will be fine. But I’d be worried if I were u.

          • Suzu M

            Dr. Bob doesn’t have to worry, because if HIS Truth isn’t real, he’s no worse for the wear. Do you have an angry gods in YOUR pocket that’s going to punish him?

          • josh

            No

          • josh

            But I wud imagine God does not support hatred

          • Suzu M

            God himself hates. He hates SIN. It separates his people from Himself.

          • josh

            According to what

          • josh

            And I’m not very religious but I don’t think anyone shud claim to know what God wants

          • Suzu M

            lol, what in the world do you think the Bible is for? It is the communication that God is having with us.
            http://www.christianministriesintl.org/articles/Bible-the-Inspired-Word-of-God.php

          • josh

            It was written my man. The only actual text that is said to come from God is the 10 commandments

          • Suzu M

            Well, I just took a large amount of my time to respond about this very thing, maybe you’ll come across it.

          • Chamileon

            HOW DO YOU KNOW HAVE YOU EVER DIED ?.

          • Chamileon

            GOD DIDN`T WRITE THAT SHIT MAN DID………………

        • Chamileon

          RIGHT………….

          • josh

            My bad had to make an edit

        • Suzu M

          Disagree. If I don’t wish to do a job for someone, i won’t. There’s, sadly, enough other business owners who ARE willing to host such an event. If they get a ‘bad rep’ for NOT hosting a ‘gay mirage’, then that CAN BE PUNISHMENT ENOUGH.
          This business owner is doing the couple a favor. Let them ask themselves, WHY wouldn’t they want to do this for me? ” And maybe the answer will give them PAUSE.

          • josh

            so it is ok with u if an establishment won’t serve blacks

          • Suzu M

            What do BLACKS have to do with this? Blacks aren’t participating in sin by having a different skin color.

          • josh

            Neither are gays they were born that way. The church once said the same about blacks

          • Suzu M

            No, being gay is a choice. We are each sinners with our own sin tendencies. Some people just choose not to fight it. Some people give in to sex outside of marriage; some give in to adultery; some to pornography, some to lying, some to obstinacy and …some to homosexuality.
            Now, if gays were BORN that way, they could not OVERCOME IT. Yet, evidence is increasingly strong that YES, you CAN be free from the homosexual trap.
            If they were born that way, how about IDENTICAL TWINS? Do BOTH have to be GAY? The facts say, NO.

            And do you mean, some CHURCH PEOPLE, or do you mean Scripture. People , whoever you mean, can be in error. God is NOT.
            People can be fools. God can not.
            To link the topics of BLACKS and HOMOSEXUALITY as the same problem is a disservice to logic.
            And I bet BLACKS wouldn’t appreciate it.

          • josh

            It’s not a choice

        • Chamileon

          AMEN………………

      • Chamileon

        THIS HAS NEVER BEEN A FREE COUNTRY………..DUMBASS.

        • Canadave

          Usually, people who are consistently vulgar like you are dealing with many personal issues. Are you by any chance fat, ugly and smell bad?

    • Chamileon

      IT`S CORRECT…………

  • Laddyboy

    The “supreme court judges” made an OPINON known to America that shows they are BIGGOTS and HATE the Constitution. Their OPINION is not law. The Supreme Court does NOT have the authority to PASS or CHANGE ANY law in America. Congress is the only “body” that can make LAWS. By the way, the “Executive Branch” of the American Government ALSO CANNOT MAKE laws or change laws. They can ADVISE Congress that a law needs to be changed BY CONGRESS.

    • Rodney Steward

      A lot of these judges like their little young boys!

      • GLADALLOVER

        Even Bitchy Mitchy McConnell likes those little boys for his unending HomoGay sex romps!

      • PatriotGal

        Unless, of course, they’re Kagan and Sotomaior – maybe little girls, then?

        • Rodney Steward

          BINGO, I did forget that, some of Obama’s appointees!

      • Chamileon

        MOST JUDGES ARE CONSERVATIVE FORMER PROSECUTORS. SO WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU RIGHTWING NUTT JOBS ?. GET A LIFE MAN…………

      • azabigail

        And they are Obama groupies.

    • RedRiverD

      Yes, but I don’t see anyone following that rule of law either.
      Because “executive orders” are NOT laws either, but BHO thinks they are and signs them like a kid in a candy store and expects us to abide by them. NOT HAPPENING HERE!

  • OldTaxman

    “….a vindictive lesbian couple….” All lesbians are vindictive and that is a major reason they are such scumbags.

    • saber-dance

      I remember a news story, some 10 years ago, about an elderly widow in FL, needing extra income, but did not want to rent the room with bath to a lesbian couple. The lesbians sued and ended up OWNING that house.

      • Chamileon

        GOOD……….YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW……WHAT GO AROUND COME AROUND.

    • gingerale

      God destroyed Sodom and gomorah, for homosexuality, and if these gay people don’t repent and get saved, hells going to be their home too..When the supreme court ruled it was okay and acceptable it sealed our fate. without true repentance, judgement is coming on America.sure am glad im one of gods children.All sin can be forgiven by god, but one must repent from the heart, and be born-again.

    • GLADALLOVER

      Notice that most of these so called carpet munchers are fat as a hog!

    • kennethdower

      O.K., then, what’s your excuse for being a scumbag?

      • Chamileon

        HE IS JUST STUPID LIKE ALL SCUMBAGS………………..

    • azabigail

      It’s true, and they have been loud about it. Hopefully now that their true colors have been aggravating more and more people, our representatives will start filing amendments to stop them from using the laws that were established, or changed to protect them, to bully everyone who chooses not to join in or support their agenda to make the world deny natural born sexual gender and ADOPT their non-gender b.s.

  • Dino Gutierrez

    First they trash the 2nd amendment now it is the 1st that they piss all over it, freedom of speech and religion is just as important to keep and bear arms. This is a socialist take over and seems clear to me, if Clinton or Sanders becomes president, sad day for America.I bet a civil war will break out, patriot against the socialist, not the first time we ran out those whom taxed us without representation and trampled over our God given rights. I know what side I am on so those who support the socialist agenda, move to Europe, it is not wanted here

  • Conshana

    George Orwell’s “Animal Farm”,,, All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
    Batten the hatches, Folks. All hell is gonna be out for Noon, real soon,,, and it ain’t gonna be purty.

  • paulrod

    “Yes, I would be perfectly happy to rent you my pasture two Sundays from now, for your same-sex wedding. However, I must warn you that we have to rotate pastures every week, and we’ll have to put Big Bubba in the pasture on Saturday, the day before your wedding. But, don’t worry. With a little luck, and, maybe a few slow relatives, you’ll probably be able to outrun him. But be careful where you run. Big Bubba eats a lot, and…..”.

  • MegaMouseGW

    What ever happened to separation of church and state?

    • saber-dance

      In this case it is not in THEIR favor

  • myfordtruck

    All of it should be unconstitutional

  • Michael Reed

    This is COMMUNIST AMERICA folks! It’s how they roll! COMMUNISM IS BEING IMPLEMENTED ACROSS AMERICA DE FACTO BECAUSE WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ABROGATED OUR RESPONSIBILITIES!

  • Sgt. York

    Hold all gay weddings in the correl with cow shit up to thier knees. This won’t last long

  • Davroid

    No problem pay me in advance. Oh and by the it just so happens that the morning of your ungodly event we have to clean the barns so if you want we will only make one pass with the manure spreader. Have a good day!

  • Brent Black

    When are we going to learn that the constitution doesn’t apply to or protect us anymore. It will continue to be this way until there is punishment for the people that disregard it.

  • Terry McFarland

    EVERYTHING OBOZO AND HIS MINIONS DO IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!..HE KNOWS NO ONE THAT MATTERS LIKE HIM..JUST PLAIN EVIL!!…WHEN HE IS BOOTED OUT..TRUMP WILL UNDO ALL OBOZO THE CLOWN HAS DESTROYED!

    • Rodney Steward

      Maybe Trump will call him a rancher and have the FBI take him out, along with Holder and Lynch and their butt ugly horses Sharpton, Jackson, and Fagakhan!

  • Misneac

    I don’t agree with this decision, but despite beliefs Christian or otherwise, it does make sense. What if a bar decided not to serve black people, or a 7-11 decided not to serve Christians? This is the same thing. Discrimination is discrimination no matter what your faith, color, or sexual orientation is. If you think this is just modern liberal claptrap then see Reynolds v. United States Supreme court decision from 1869 (I think). It basically says when religion is allowed to trump law, anyone who professes a belief becomes a law unto themselves. The result would of course be anarchy. So despite religious beliefs, we must be citizens first, and respect our fellow citizens’ beliefs just as we expect them to uphold the law before their own beliefs.

    • Misneac

      I will say though that while it’s legal to sue the couple who didn’t want to do business with the lesbians, it’s an extremely $h1tty thing to do. If we all paid more attention to our values and less to money we’d be better off all round. I feel bad for the couple, but understand the courts decision.

  • saber-dance

    The Bible is banned in public schools. Kids are no longer bringing biblical discussions home from school.

  • rick

    Just shows how the LGBT costs people personal livelihood and owning businesses because we listen to the liberal biased courts.
    If a judge knows the straight people will lose their business and economic status over a same sex marriage refusal on religious grounds, that judge is Socially corrupt and needs removed from the bench. Committing hard working people to a position they grew out of right back to because of “belief” positions and government controlling how their business is run is close to Communism.
    Americans tell judges everywhere, you are the majority. As for the judges that are appointed, tell your reps that the judges they appoint better do the law correctly with no liberal bias.
    Socialist judges, Socialist congressmen and women & Socialist Senators are ripping this republic to pieces, sucking the freedom out from under every Americans as- because they have been turned into welfare addicts and thoughtless followers of the lazy and severily undereducated majority.
    Escort all Socialists in Washington out of Washington and special elect replacements with the love of smaller government in their veins.

  • Rex Tyrano

    One wonders – if Christians start throwing fags off tall buildings like Muslims do will “progressives” start supporting Christians like they support Muslims?

  • 45N90W

    Sadly, this is the can of worms that the intentional misuse of individual rights has opened. Stressing each individual as the sole determiner of what is right ultimately means everything is right and, conversely, everything is wrong. The fluidity of right and wrong, good and bad, moral and immoral, just depends upon who is the more effective bully at the moment. As the denial of the existence of any objective source of right and wrong (once acknowledged to be God) rolls on, Barry McGuire’s “Eve of Destruction” (circa ’65) seems to be coming true, although today’s most potent weapon is not nuclear but is instead the blatant immorality and the subjectivity of individualism promoted by our stealth public education system, commonly known as the entertainment media (TV, music, movies, video games, etc.). In other words, our American culture is going down the tubes because of ME, ME, ME and I, I, I–You don’t matter except as You can be used by ME for MY benefit.

  • James

    The Courts have destroyed the institution of marriage, creating new law out of thin air on behalf of less than 5% of the population.

  • pysco

    Re=education Camps !!! really, this isn’t Communist China, or Russia….. PCers, Liberals, Courts and White House needs to get their minds right….. This is America…….

  • AL ELLIS

    I think the ones’ that need re-educating is the judges etc. in this case. I believe this is something I would take all the way to the supreme court. So what does this mean? The gay can go around making money off of their way of life and no one else has any rights. This country has gone overboard on the liberal, politically correct junk being forced on us. This is why I’m voting for Donald Trump. PC has run amouk.
    TRUMP IN 2016!!!!

    • Chris S.

      not sure about liberal this and that….and i’m definitely not going to vote to start WW III but I’ll give you political correctness is killing us..even the actual conservative candidates like Paul and Carson are saying so…and if i remember right…even Fiorina was saying something about that…

  • PAproFirearms

    Agree 100%, Jim and Rodney: Jefferson WROTE it so!

  • Morbious Stone

    Put the gays in the oven!!!! you cannot force people to go against their religion to serve these fuckers!!!! Gay gestapo pedo retards!!!!! TRY THIS BY WHERE I LIVE I’m a scary dude I’ll hunt you down gaylords and i will fuck with you until you loose your minds and blow your own brains out and you will never know i was there try me muther fuckers try me and billions like me. your life with be never ending folly everything with just be ruined and you’ll never know why why why bwhahahahaha

  • Original Anna

    These lesbians should not be benefitting financially from this situation. No money was exchanged or job promised between the two. They were told right at the start that what they wanted the business to provide was not provided by the business. There was no contract or refusal by the business after a contract or invoice was signed. Obviously the business provided Christian weddings not lesbian or homosexual weddings. And there definitely are differences. Marriage is a covenant between God and a man and a woman. The reception is for the friends and families of the couple to announce the covenant of marriage of a man and woman before God to their friends and families. No one leaves the wedding reception until the wedding cake is served because it is the culmination of the announcement to the world. A wedding cake means that a wedding before God has been had and the reception is now over. A lesbian wedding is not a covenant of marriage of two women or two men before God because God did not make that covenant between him and such sexual unions. Therefore there is no wedding cake for a sexual union. I had a person say to me a wedding cake is just a cake. Well, does one go into a restaurant and get a wedding cake for desert or to a friends house for a wedding cake. No, a wedding cake is not a chocolate desert cake or a baby shower cake or a birthday cake or just a cake you made for desert at the dinner table. It only shows up at a wedding, a Christian wedding and that means it is a special cake for Christian weddings not sexual weddings. I would say the judges obviously are not Christians but homosexuals because they do not know what a Christian wedding or a wedding cake is and as such should not be making any decision about the situation. Some judge who knows the history of Christian weddings and wedding cakes should be making the decision and than not even than as it is a gov’t intrusion into religion and a political decision and I would say a hate crime against people with a certain belief system. And no judge has the right to demand a reeducation of religion or the sexual needs of homosexuals. That reaches into the gov’t teaching religion and forcing people to accept sexual needs of homosexuals which is nothing but a sexual perversion and should be kept to themselves. My sexual needs are kept in my bedroom not out in the business world.

  • Dan Colley

    Am I missing something here? The farm does legally belong to the couple, right? (You know, with a deed and all the other legal writs associated with ownership?) It is private property, right? When did the government get jurisdiction over what kinds of activities can or cannot occur on their own personal property? What’s next? Your kid’s birthday party? A Friday night poker game? Where is the ACLU? Where is their righteous indignation about government incursion into personal property ownership law (Imminent domain)? There MUST be more to this story than meets the eye. Some detail has been left out. Otherwise, when those faggots showed up, without invitation, they were trespassing. Kick them the hell off YOUR land, people. Don’t wait. Ask them to leave, politely, then if they don’t leave, call the cops and have the legal action begin from the other side … the side of the property owner. A trespassing complaint then becomes the beginning of a legal action in which the landowner is sitting in the catbird’s seat. Like I said, something about this story smells like fish.

    • Deloris Ames

      They were running a business, renting out for parties and that’s how they got trap in the law! With all sorts of places that do this just go to another business!

      • Dan Colley

        Now I understand. So it wasn’t an action against the people, per se, it was an action against a “company” or business entity that was in the business of staging weddings. That makes a world of difference when considering the legal action described in the story. The story now makes a lot more sense to me, thanks to your input. I was of the impression that the two lesbians simply came up to the couple’s house and asked if they could have their wedding there … out of the blue. THAT made no sense. The story could have been written with a bit more clarity. Thanks for the 411.

  • 77099

    This is deliberate on the part of the gays. There are Churches and pastors willing to marry them, but they choose to make trouble for others instead. Notice the tail is wagging the dog?

  • discrimination is against the law the couple should ave got the farm. it is a business the”mean: couple took legal action and won. the ownes now have their integraty intact and less money choose wisely next time bigots.

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  • Queers are full of vd hiv and AIDS l they are pigs and all are dope addicts and psychos !

  • ConservativeSenior

    THese judges need to be removed and “re-educated” on the Constitution.

  • jack

    OBAMA DID IT HES DESTOYED THE 1ST AMENDEMENT AND SECOND HE CLAMING TO BE GOD NOW EVERY ONE ELSE IS WRONG BY HIS STANDERS

  • william g munson

    It should be elligal to tell someone and fine them money if they don,t want to do something that is against their faith Period Like making a man go to war and shoot people he don,t even know and has nothing against them, they can make hime go but only as someone to bring supplies to troops and also help wounded but cannot make you shoot anyone Period

    • Misneac

      What if it’s against your faith to pay taxes? Should you still get all the benefits of someone whose faith allows it? Or maybe it’s against your faith to allow people of other faiths to live. Should it be illegal to make you stop killing them? What about Mormons? Should they be allowed to have more than one wife, since their faith allows it? Think a little deeper. This is why the law must be the primary constraint on behavior; because it applies to all of us equally. Faith only applies if it we choose it to. I respect your choice of faith, but I still expect you to obey the law and be subject to the consequences when you don’t.

  • Duane A. Fisher

    These Un-American, Anti-American courts need to be done away with along with these Social Communist judges. But for now this couple lives in a Social Communist Dictatorial State. And if you choose to live in area that violates your beliefs you will just have to been over and take it. Just like the Jews did in Nazi Germany. This State government & court violates the CONSTITUTION , and use excuses to cover it up. I would sell out and move to a Christian , God loving State that honors & obeys the CONSTITUTION.

  • ppeony

    Go elsewhere jerks. Like justice of peace. Courtroom. Enough of stupidity.

  • ppeony

    Can they appeal? Where is aclu? Aren’t they supposed to help farmers too? Wait, NOT.!!!!

  • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

    Well i guess we should just take one day at a time.

  • Byron Hall

    so I guess the signs in bars and restaurants that say we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone are now illegal

  • doctorbob

    Joseph Goebbels would be so proud…

  • Iceman

    [email protected]%# the Appellate Division of New York State. This ruling contravenes the Constitution. But, then, how many of the supposed citizenry cares, anymore? Screw all the people who believes this crap is good. Yes, I mean all L>TM? – whatever these ass holes call themselves.

  • Iceman

    Note to all fags who delight in punishing innocent, true Americans for their beliefs: SCREW YOU!

  • kennethdower

    If you operate a business as a public accommodation in NYS, you will have to obey the law. Under the anti-discrimination law, when you open your business to the public, you open your business to all of the public. You don’t get to pick out certain classes of people and treat them differently, as the Giffords attempted to do. The Giffords don’t operate a church; they run a business—an LLC, in fact—and they are
    out to make a profit. Religious beliefs are a matter of private conscience and do not trump such laws. Of course, the bad “Christians” will never understand that. And that’s just too bad.

  • Suzu M

    This is very terrible. So…this is more like socialism or what? Does the government own our businesses and they leave us alone ONLY if we are doing things THEIR way? Sorry. I’m thankful for people who take a STAND against this ‘stomping’ of our rights.

  • reagangs

    The Nazi liber-turds have struck, again.

  • lizdhm

    Or, you just choose not to open up your farm for rent to the public knowing that public accommodation laws exist.